Today's random etymological fact

[darcydodo]

So, let us set out some conditions, obtained from the OED.

1) cidery is an adjective, and an adjective alone. It is a rare word, meaning "Of the nature of, or resembling cider."
2) ciderist is a noun, of course, meaning "One who makes cider; a connoisseur in cider."

We need, therefore, a term for a location where cider is made; I had previously thought it might be "cidery," by analogy with "winery."

So we turn to ciderage, expecting our quest to be at an end. Instead, we find the following definition: "Obs. Herb. The Water-Pepper, Polygonum Hydropiper; also P. Persicaria."

So what the hell do you call a place where cider is made?????

ETA: It's a cider-house. But I still prefer "cidery."

Comments

[pseudomonas.livejournal.com]

Yay! oed sa that "cider" is from a sh-k-r drunkening root!

[darcydodo]

Even better?

Ciderage:

1578 LYTE Dodoens V. lxviii. 633 This herbe is called..in Englishe Arsse-smart or Ciderage.

[pseudomonas.livejournal.com]

The next quotation has "Dead Arsesmart" but no dodo. It is pretty coole either way, though.

I just liked the fact that the Hebrew for drunkening has found its way into English.

[liv]

Yay! You've so made my day, thank you pseudomonas. That is so cool!

[pseudomonas.livejournal.com]

also the OED mentions "pound house" and "cider mill", the latter of which is quite cute.

[darcydodo]

The problem with cider mill is that it's also ambiguous: it can be the machine, like a cider press.

[pseudomonas.livejournal.com]

Yes, but context is key. There must be many occasions when there is no ambiguity through context, and still more when either meaning would convey the right idea· This is the beauty of synecdoche.

[fengshui.livejournal.com]

True, but cider mill is the standard word in Michigan and other places where they actually grow apples and make unpasteurized cider. Mmmmm, unpasteurized cider.

If they can figure it out from context, you can too. :)

[emidala.livejournal.com]

cider-house is nice, though. it has a very foresty, barrels-of-red-apples-standing-around-a-small-house-clad-in-mist sort of feel to it. :)

[darcydodo]

Yay, such a lovely image. I think I need a barrel of apples icon, but without having a digital camera and taking it up to Whole Foods, I'm not quite sure how I'd get one I actually liked. :)

[pseudomonas.livejournal.com]

ciderery?

[wychwood]

...hence the "Cider House Rules", I suppose.
But you're right, "cidery" is a cool word!
I miss my OED access.